Tony Rousmaniere, PsyD, is Clinical Faculty at the University of Washington in Seattle, where he also has a psychotherapy private practice. He is the author of the forthcoming book Deliberate Practice for Psychotherapists: A Guide to Improving Clinical Effectiveness (Taylor & Francis), and editor of the forthcoming edited volume The Cycle of Expertise: Using Deliberate Practice in Supervision, Training, and Independent Practice (with co-editors Rodney Goodyear, Scott Miller, and Bruce Wampold; Wiley Press). Dr. Rousmaniere provides clinical training and supervision to therapists around the world, with an emphasis on using deliberate practice to improve the effectiveness of clinical skill development. He is also editor of Using Technology for Clinical Supervision: A Practical Handbook (ACA Press).
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Just wanted to compliment you on a really fine episode. I resonated particularly with Dr Rousemaniere’s ”no pain, no gain” notion—that learning only takes place when we push ourselves just beyond our limits, when we have to make a conscious effort (”otherwise it’s merely rehearsal”, he stated).
I have a table tennis training partner who is convinced that practicing individual segments of a sport (like, forehand smashes) is not more beneficial than just playing ordinary matches for practice. His rationale is that the rubber only hits the road when there’s a competitive element involved, and that skills learned in isolated training modalities not necessarily get translated into and employed in real match situations.
And this is a guy who has done sports of all kinds on pretty advanced levels since kindergarten!
I’m wondering if Dr. R has any science to back up this ”no pain …” claim, even though its validity is quite logical and self-evident. It would be interesting to see a study on it.
Other than that, it was refreshing to hear such a candid and open minded therapist talk about his own failures with the same ease as he recounted his successes. What a great role model for upcoming therapists. And what an interesting model for practicing psychotherapy. It is unbelievable that no one has come up with it before.
Happy new year,
Oskar
Great interview!