#474 – Dreams and Awareness Practices with Jungian Therapist Machiel Klerk M.A.

Machiel Klerk


Machiel Klerk M.A. is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and has a private practice in Salt Lake City. He has studied close to 20 years Jungian Psychology, depth psychology and dreams. He followed a course at the Jung Institute in Zurich, Switzerland, and has a Master’s degree in counseling psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute.
Machiel developed his own style of working with dreams, which he coined Dream Dialogue.

Machiel has published articles, and gives workshops and lectures on dreams in Europe, Africa and North America. Dreams are very important to him, and Machiel founded based on a dream six years ago the Jung Society of Utah. The society is now attracting 250 people attending per event. Four years ago he started the online educational depth psychology organization the Jung Platform.
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  1. Mahyar
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    I really enjoyed the idea of recounting a dream in present tense! It can be powerful enough to enact some of the feelings one experiences in a dream, especially if you put your body in the position you were while dreaming.
    Also, as a Persian speaker, I was really happy to here about “Rumi and the world of dream”! Though there’s been some valuable translations by great scholars from his poetry and sometimes prose, it’s a great pleasure to read Rumi in Persian, as the rule applies to the translation of the work of every poet…
    Besides anything, Machiel Klerk is right in choosing the title: “Rumi and the world of dream” as you’d frequently come up with Rumi’s use of the concept and the word “khaab”. meaning dream in his poetry.
    Thanks to Dr. Dave for the interview!!!

  2. Posted October 7, 2015 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    this was a great perspective on the meaning of dreams, especially seeing waking life, as dense reality, and co-existent with our dreaming life / reality. One of my favorite quotes came to mind and I think it applies to this perspective: “there is another world, and it is this one” by Paul Eluard

  3. Jason D
    Posted December 5, 2016 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Hi Dr. Dave, The transcript for this episode doesn’t seem to be available. Clicking the link above- and from the transcript list page- seems to just refresh it back to the main episode page, but not the transcript. This seems to be a problem only for this episode.
    Long time, listener; I really appreciate your work. I’m using transcripts in the writing of my Philosophy of Counseling Masters Thesis. Almost done! Thanks, Dr. Dave

  4. Posted December 5, 2016 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Thanks for letting me know. I’ve fixed it!


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