#302 Exploring Mindful Dreaming with Rubin Naiman PhD


Rubin Naiman, PhD is a psychologist, clinical assistant professor of medicine and the sleep and dream specialist at the University of Arizona’s Center for Integrative Medicine, directed by Dr. Andrew Weil. He is also director of Circadian Health Associates, an organization that offers sleep related services, training and consultation internationally. For more than a decade, he served as the sleep and dream specialist at Canyon Ranch and Miraval Resorts. Dr. Naiman is a leader in the development of integrative medicine approaches to sleep and dreams, integrating conventional sleep science with depth psychological and spiritual approaches. He is the author of a number of groundbreaking works on sleep, including Healing Night, Healthy Sleep (with Dr. Weil), To Sleep Tonight, The Yoga of Sleep as well as professional book chapters.

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  1. Posted May 4, 2012 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    I did fine your podcast. Thank you, it was full of great and useful information.
    Barbara Gaetano

  2. John Knight
    Posted May 6, 2012 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Ohhh, amen! Now this is my kind of guy. Along with #300, this is another one I’ll use for a reference point, so I too look forward to this being transcribed.

    I suffer badly from chronic fatigue, and was fascinated by what I heard Rubin say, but I certainly want to hear more! If Rubin comes back as a guest, if there’s any chance of hearing more about dreaming, sleep, hyper-awareness and fatigue, then I’d be very grateful.

    I was so delighted to hear Rubin use the Copernicus analogy regarding consciousness and the unconscious, which is one I use all of the time. I’m much like Freud and Jung in that the term ‘subconscious’ greatly annoys me because of the sheer inaccuracy of the term and the misconceptions it creates. And I think this word in particular is doing a lot to shape people’s thoughts that the psyche in general is consciousness centric, and much like pre-Copernicus with the Earth being at the centre of the universe, the general public have been misled into thinking that you have this all-important consciousness with a smaller, fairly unimportant ‘subconscious’ tacked on the back somewhere. When I introduce them to the idea that consciousness is relatively small and is something that grows out of a much larger *unconscious*, they are often very surprised, and tell me that they’ve always had an idea of the psyche in reverse .

    Anyway, enough self-indulgence from moi! Great episode, I’m trawling through Dr. Naiman’s website right now! 🙂

  3. Cameron
    Posted May 15, 2012 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    I wish he’d given more specific advice on how to sleep better.

  4. Posted May 15, 2012 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Listen to my earlier interview with him. #256. I seem to recall that he does give specific advice on sleeping better there.

    Dr. Dave

  5. Cameron
    Posted June 13, 2012 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    I actually spoke too soon recently. I was on medication which was for my ezcema (but which also had a soporofic effect) I cut down the medication and I’m now sleeping a lot better! 🙂

  6. Cameron
    Posted June 13, 2012 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    I actually spoke too soon recently, I was taking soporific medication which was affecting my sleep, thanks to this article I stopped taking the medication and sleep much better now!

  7. Hellene Gronda
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Thank you so much for this second interview with Dr Naiman – the first interview was one of my favourite episodes and I bought his Healing Night book as a result. I love his originality, his scientific view and deep human feeling – it has awakened me in a new way to the sacred value of sleeping. He has a special way of linking mainstream conventional thinking with the mystery of dreaming. Thanks again Dr. Dave, and I’d welcome hearing from him again.

  8. Jun
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Very good talk

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