#259 – The Slippery Slope of Reality (2) with Jerry Trumbule


Jerry Tumbule, M.S, ABD and I have yet another one of our wide ranging conversations. This is the second of three recent conversations. This time we focus on the work of Stuart Hameroff, M.D. and Robert Lanza, M.D.

Dr. Hameroff has conducted very intriguing research on “microtubules,” tiny biological “transistors” which suggest a memory system much larger and more complex than that provided through the synapses. Robert Lanza, M.D. is considered one of the leading scientists in the world. He is currently Chief Scientific Officer at Advanced Cell Technology, and Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He has hundreds of publications and inventions, and over two dozen scientific books: among them, “Principles of Tissue Engineering,” which is recognized as the definitive reference in the field.

As usual, our discussion is both personal and psychological and, this time, somewhat cosmological.

Gerald (Jerry) Trumbule, B.S. Univ. of Md. 1965, M.S. Univ. of Pa., 1970, has been a neuropsychological researcher (Walter Reed Army Institute of Research and NASA, Univ. of Md.) and Assistant Professor of Psychology, Univ. of Toronto, 1970. Disgusted with academia, he moved to Denver in 1971 where he founded Sebastian High School, a grade-less experiential learning center, founded the Western States Film Institute, with two winners of the Student Academy Awards, and, in 1980, founded Denver’s first computer training center (ECC). Now retired and living in obscurity, he is a videographer and blogger (DenverDirect.tv), where he expounds on local politics and pollution. He continues his life-long interest in the workings of the human brain, exploring his own brain through hypnagogia and REM sleep, and hopes someday to upload the contents of his brain directly to the internet.

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  1. John Isenhour
    Posted February 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the link to the New Yorker article. When I listened to this interview and when I read the article, my thoughts kept going back to replication of basic Newtonian physics experiments. If we were to begin doing massive scale replication experiments of classical mechanics, would they begin to lose validity and compromise the universe as we know it? If we find a strong positive result that we like, should we no longer test it so it remains valid? The article and talk made some great points, I’m just not sure how to contextualize it. Thanks for the thought provoking interview.

  2. Misty W. from Denver
    Posted July 12, 2011 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Thank you so much for these interviews with your good friend Jerry Trumbule. Not only were the topics fascinating, but I love hearing the memories about the discussions the two of you would have then and continue on now. In relation to Jerry’s hoping that people still continue on such conversations, I have to say that those individuals seem to be hard to find and all the more reason I am in admiration and somewhat envy of these conversations. Such conversations are how thought revolutions begin and are reminiscent of the salons from the Enlightenment period. Thank you for sharing your intellictual journys with us!

  3. Rick
    Posted September 26, 2012 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    I have this fantasy that someday I will be able to shoot the poop with you two.My ambitions are modest and possible. Great show, some of my favorite podcasts have been these dialogues between you and Jerry.

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