#124 – Shrink Rap Radio LIVE #2



Dr. Dave and his good friend, Jerry Trumbule, co-host a live, call-in version of the show. They chat informally about one of Jerry’s dreams and about hypnogogic and hypnopompic states of consciousness in relation to dreams. Two regular listeners call in and add to the discussion. (Photo is of Dr. Dave circa the 70’s)



  1. joni spigler
    Posted December 10, 2007 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Just to say that I think the article/idea that you and Jerry Trumbule were trying to think of on this show was this one:


    That alien bit at the end was weird. I looked all over Google maps for that rift in the mountains Jerry was talking about but I could not find it! Maybe he was just secretly trying to get some honest feedback on his own mental sanity and alien encounters by posing the question in terms of a “woman friend!!

    I think the Harvard Scientist that wrote about patients claiming to have been abducted by UFOs that you (or Jerry) were trying to think of was John E. Mack :


    Take care.

  2. Posted December 13, 2007 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    About Jerry’s dream the night before recording this show, where Dr. Dave emerged from the next room by surprise rather than being far away in another part of the country, and the fire/earthquake/hurricane aftermath that followed: I wonder if in an earlier conversation Jerry had with Dr. Dave or somebody else the prospect of the live show turning out to be a “disaster” was mentioned, even in jest? The mere mention of the word in association with the show could have led to the segue into the disaster-centred later part of the dream, going from the lingering resonance of a casual, half-joking mention of the word in reference to the show to a more serious focus on the notion of imminent disaster in reference to the world at large.

    I was much impressed by an earlier Shrink Rap show where the interviewee talked about how dream content is often strongly shaped by turns of phrase, elabourately staging a literalization of some metaphoric description of something else entirely, which can then provide a springboard to a whole new association not necessarily related to the initial scenario except by some element of the literatlized metaphor — i.e. it’s not that Jerry even subconsciously thought the Live show might be meaningfully related to imminent globabl catastrophe, but rather what started as a typical dream-literalization of a passing mention of the risk of the Live show being a “disaster” free-associated within the dream to a scenario about genuine disasters and their political ramifications in the real world.

    One other aspect that jumped out at me, and maybe was transparent to Jerry and Dr. Dave because of their long immersion in the world of psychology and psychological research, was the surprise emergence of Dr. Dave from the other room after ostensibly being in another city, changing completely and disorientingly what Jerry thought had been going on.

    This immediately reminded me of descriptions of many psychological experiments where what subjects think is happening turns out to be a deliberately crafted illusion, often involving experimenters or confederates doing something in another adjacent room that the subject either was unware of or thought was something else entirely, such as most famously the Stanley Milgram experiments where subjects thought they were delivering shocks to another volunteer under instruction from an authority figure. Countless other examples exist, especially from the good old days before ethics committees reined in the extent of experimental deceit allowed to researchers.

    This could provide another link to the latter disaster/political cover-up part of the dream, with Dr. Dave’s emergence from an adjoining room, a “practical joke” with the benign deceit of a psych experimental design, taking on somewhat more sinister tones as it morphed into Dr. Dave’s denial of the “disaster” Jerry was sure had just happened as they drove out of the near-collapsed parkade in the deceptively named and cololured cheerful yellow “Fairlane”, finally culminating in the explicitly lying “tall man” deliberately misconstruing an earthquake as a mere “hurricane”.

    Just my $0.02 worth, focussing more on particular words and metaphors than Dr. Dave & Jerry’s interpretation based more on their shared experiences and familiarity. A different slant, with no claim to more or less validity, i.e. complementary rather than competing.

  3. Jerry
    Posted December 15, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Joni, thanks for the comment and links. The “woman” I mention is indeed real. I went back to prowl around Sequoia Nat’l park in Google Earth and found a number of places that fit what I think she was talking about (not using rift in the geological sense of plates ripping apart). Next time she’s over I’ll have her try to find it, but she’ s already said that she doesn’t think she could drive to the lookout from which she watched.

    And Derrick – thanks for your detailed comment. I loved you analysis, and, re-listening to my own recounting, I see merit in much of what you say.

    And to Dr. Dave – Catch you in the morning.

  4. honeyrococo
    Posted May 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    I just saw this about Tinnitus (which I think you discussed on this show):


    Also, re: the new listings / Google search engine thing (on recent / late April 2008 show) I can attest that even a search for “Shrink Rap Radio” no longer shows just http://www.shrinkrapradio.com. Now you get either http://www.shrinkrapradio.com/feed.xml or http://www.shrinkrapradio.com/sonoma.htm so now I have to prune it back to the trunk manually to get on the main site. Just something for you to check out, because if I hadn’t been here before – that is, if I were a new listener – I might never find the main page with the recent guests and comments.

    Just a heads-up. CIao.

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