#581 – Polishing The Bones with Jungian Analyst Penelope Tarasuk PhD

Penelope Tarasuk, PhD, Jungian Analyst (IAAP), author and artist, graduated from the C.G. Jung Institute Boston in 1988. Since then she has been serving roles on the Jung Institute Boston Training Board, curriculum committee, faculty, training analyst and candidate supervisor, thesis reader, and evaluator. She is also a Board member and regular presenter for the Western MA Jung Association, Northampton, MA. Beginning in the 1970s Penelope has worked in community mental health, in hospital and out patient, crisis intervention, drug dependence treatment, family systems therapy, and group dream-work. Author of recently published: POLISHING THE BONES, 2017, Musewell Hill Press, London and New York. This narrative story is based on a true story of a woman in Jungian treatment and later, with the patient’s family, helping her through her dying. Penelope practices privately in South Deerfield and Cambridge, MA, teaches and leads workshops in USA and abroad. She is in Stan Grof’s Holotropic Transpersonal Training, prior to this she practiced Breathwork (1989-2009) with women trained in Australia working in nature and swimming in the wild with dolphins.
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#580 – Remembering Zen Philosopher Alan Watts

Alan Watts, philosopher, author, and lecturer Alan Watts (1915–1973) popularized Zen Buddhism and other Eastern philosophies for the counterculture of the 1960s. Today, new generations are finding his writings and lectures online, while faithful followers worldwide continue to be enlightened by his teachings. The Collected Letters of Alan Watts reveals the remarkable arc of Watts’s colorful and controversial life, from his school days in England to his priesthood in the Anglican Church as chaplain of Northwestern University to his alternative lifestyle and experimentation with LSD in the heyday of the late sixties. His engaging letters cover a vast range of subject matter, with recipients ranging from High Church clergy to high priests of psychedelics, government officials, publishers, critics, family, and fans. They include C. G. Jung, Henry Miller, Gary Snyder, Aldous Huxley, Reinhold Niebuhr, Timothy Leary, Joseph Campbell, and James Hillman. Watts’s letters were curated by two of his daughters, Joan Watts and Anne Watts, who have added rich, behind-the-scenes biographical commentary.

Joan Watts grew up in the United States and England attending private schools and then studied art at various institutions in the United States. Her art has won awards in juried shows and hangs in many private collections. In addition to her art career, she spent 25 years as a successful fund raiser in the nonprofit world. Joan lives in Livingston Montana with her husband, Johnny (Montana) Hale, a musician songwriter and retired motion picture technician. Most of her life decisions have been influenced in one way or another by her father, Alan Watts.

Anne Watt’s philosophies were also strongly shaped by her experience as the daughter of Alan Watts. Ann is a certified hypnotherapist and an educator and counselor in the areas of human sexuality, sexual abuse, family stress, self-esteem, healing the inner child, and financial and aging issues. Since 1985, she has facilitated hundreds of workshops in the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, England, and Germany with The Human Awareness Institute, work she is deeply passionate about since 2008. She lives in Santa Rosa, California. You can find her work online at www.annewatts.com. Read More »


#579 – The Body of Sex with Sarah Byrden

For 18 years, Sarah Byrden has been a dynamic educator, speaker and advocate known for her domain-changing work in sexuality, cross-cultural, spiritual and wilderness education. As a visionary leader in the field of sex-education, Sarah’s mentorship and approach is sought by educational institutions, teachers, parents, birth-workers, and students of all ages, genders and orientations. She is a certified MogaDao Sacred Daoist Sexuality Teacher and holds over 2500 hours of formal training in western and non-western body-based healing modalities. Sarah is the owner and founder of THE ELEMENTAL SELF, and offers sacred sexuality, creative writing, and wilderness based learning opportunities. Her most recent project, THE BODY OF SEX is a radical paradigm-shifting approach to sex education and empowerment on college campuses. You can find her TEDx St. Louis presentation at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOq26tFBzI Read More »


#578- Mentalligence: A New Psychology of Thinking with Dr. Kristen Lee

Dr. Kristen Lee, Ed.D., LICSW, known as “Dr. Kris” is a recovering perfectionist and an award- winning author, clinician, researcher, educator, speaker and activist with over twenty years of experience. As lead faculty for Behavioral Science at Northeastern University in Boston, her research and teaching interests include individual and organizational well- being and resilience, particularly for marginalized and underserved populations. She is the author of Indie Book Award’s 2015 Motivational Book of the Year, Reset: Make the Most of Your Stress and Mentalligence: A New Psychology of Thinking. Dr. Kris’s work has been featured on NPR and CPS radio. Her signature ability to engage with a diverse range of audiences has led her to be invited to speak nationally and internationally to students, educators, health and mental health professionals, business leaders and general audiences. Some of the venues she speaks at include Harvard University, Ted X, Virgin Pulse, and Johnson & Johnson. In her spare time, she can be found out on the running trails, attempting tricky yoga poses, eating peanut butter cups and drinking kale juice—but not all at once. Read More »


#577 –Depression and The Change Triangle with Hilary Jacobs Hendel

Hilary Jacobs, MSW is a certified psychoanalyst and AEDP (Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy) psychotherapist and supervisor, specializing in trauma and emotions. She has published articles in The New York Times and professional journals. Her blog posts have been shared worldwide. She runs a private practice in New York City and was the Mental Health Consultant for the Emmy and Golden Globe-winning show Mad Men.

HIlary’s background is in the biological sciences. A native New Yorker, Hilary graduated from the Bronx High School of Science and went on to receive a BA in Biochemistry from Wesleyan University. Hilary graduated with a doctoral degree from Columbia University where she learned about neuroscience. Several years later, Hilary decided to become a psychotherapist. She received her MSW from Fordham University and competed a 4-year certification in psychoanalysis and psychoanalytic psychotherapy. Concurrent to her psychoanalytic training, HIlary began studying trauma and emotion centered psychotherapies including AEDP, EMDR, SE and read voraciously on the subject of shame. Hilary became certified in AEDP and is now a certified AEDP Supervisor. Hilary’s current passion is writing for the general public on emotions and a mental health tool she calls The Change Triangle based on AEDP. Her book, “It’s Not Always Depression: Working the Change Triangle to Listen to the Body, Discover Core Emotions and Connect to Your Authentic Self is being published by Random House USA/Canada and Penguin UK in February 2018. Read More »


No Podcast This Week

Dear friends of Shrink Rap Radio,

I’m afraid there will be no podcast this week.  My previously announced guest New York psychoanalyst Hilary Jacobs Hendel and AEDP specialist ran into so many technical issues during our attempted interview yesterday that we finally had to give up and reschedule for the week of December 4.

We were having a great discussion about her work and her forthcoming 2018 book, “It’s Not Always Depression: Working the Change Triangle to Listen to the Body, Discover Core Emotions and Connect to Your Authentic Self but there was so much unexpected noise in the recording that we finally had to give up and reschedule.  So it will definitely be worth the wait.

Meanwhile, you could always go back and listen to one of the previous 576 interviews.  🙂

Warm regards,



#576 –Love, Greed, and Trance with Adam Crabtree

Adam Crabtree is a founding faculty member of the Centre for Training in Psychotherapy in Toronto, where he is a lecturer, seminar leader, psychotherapy group facilitator, and psychotherapy practice supervisor.

His first book, published in 1985, is titled Multiple Man: Explorations in Possession and Multiple Personality. He has written books on hypnosis, trance states in everyday life, and dissociation, pathological and normal. He has published an annotated bibliography Animal Magnetism, Early Hypnotism, and Psychical Research from 1766 to 1920: An Annotated Bibliography (1988). He has written several books on the history of psychodynamic psychology in the West, most notably From Mesmer to Freud: Magnetic Sleep and the Roots of Psychological Healing (1993). He has written about the history of hypnosis and advocates a the redefinition and resituating of hypnosis, placing it in terms of the broader category of trance, particularly in his book Memoir of a Trance Therapist: Hypnosis and the Evocation of Human Potentials (2014).
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#575 – Breaking Free from Childhood Trauma with Arlene Drake PhD

Dr. Arlene Drake is a pioneer in the field of childhood abuse and trauma recovery. She has long been a passionate crusader for victims’ rights and has been featured in media outlets including the Los Angeles Times, People magazine, Newsweek, USA Today, and ABC World News Tonight. She is a member of both the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) and the Clinical Hypnosis Association. Drake lives and works in the Los Angeles area. She is also the author of the 2017 book Carefrontation: Breaking Free from Childhood Trauma. Read More »


#574- The Silent Epidemic of REM Sleep Loss with Rubin Naiman PhD

Rubin Naiman, PhD is a psychologist, clinical assistant professor of medicine and the sleep and dream specialist at the University of Arizona’s Center for Integrative Medicine, directed by Dr. Andrew Weil. He is also director of Circadian Health Associates, an organization that offers sleep related services, training and consultation internationally. For more than a decade, he served as the sleep and dream specialist at Canyon Ranch and Miraval Resorts. Dr. Naiman is a leader in the development of integrative medicine approaches to sleep and dreams, integrating conventional sleep science with depth psychological and spiritual approaches. He is the author of a number of groundbreaking works on sleep, including Healing Night, Healthy Sleep (with Dr. Weil), To Sleep Tonight, The Yoga of Sleep, Hush: A Book of Bedtime Contemplations as well as professional book chapters. Read More »


#573 – A Jungian Confronts Racial and Sexual Injustice in Mississippi with Tony Caldwell

Tony Caldwell, LCSW is a psychotherapist in private practice in Oxford, Ms. and a Social Work educator at the University of Mississippi. He is a member of the Memphis-Atlanta Jungian Seminar and a candidate of the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts. As a public speaker, human rights activist, project facilitator, town hall moderator, and workshop leader, Tony has partnered with The Human Rights Campaign, the W.W. Kellogg Foundation, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Toyota Corporation, and many other organizations. Tony and his colleague, Dr. Jandel Crutchfield, have enjoyed success in their grassroots Together Projects promoting interracial and interfaith dialogue across the state of Mississippi. They are currently co-authoring a chapter for the upcoming book “United We Stand: Spirituality and Community Healing.” Tony loves writing about the intersection of theology, depth psychology, and social justice. Tony is a guest contributor to socialjusticesolutions.org and various other print and online publications. You can find some select writings at www.tonycaldwell.net Read More »